Now classic Grant Morrison interview in Arthur Magazine

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Arthur Magazine has posted their now classic interview with Grant Morrison on their web site:

And The Filth came out of that, trying to understand that every cherished thought and belief had an equally valid counterpoint. Once I realized I had to think about this stuff and I had to deal with it, I decided to treat it as an Abyss experience, based on the ideas of kabbalistic magic. Because that at least gave me a context to deal with the experience. According to Kabbalah, or to Enochian magic, the Abyss is a kind of Ring-Pass-Not for consciousness, which means that beyond that, the typical self-aware 11-bit consciousness you use to get through the day, doesn’t operate. The kabbalistic idea of the Abyss is manifold. There’s a kind of crack in Being and the crack is the moment of the Breath before the Big Bang. It’s also the crack of dead time where we do nothing when we’d like to do something, the crack between the thought of doing and actually doing. That gulf can become immense and daunting. We might decide to be President and do nothing, leading to a life of reproach and regret. [chuckle] Then you’re in the Abyss. So I felt this confrontation with difficult material coming, and I chose to frame it as a trip into the Abyss, I took the Oath of the Abyss, from the Thelemic version of Kabbalah, the Aleister Crowley version, and…again all this stuff really is to me ways of contextualizing states of consciousness. Crowley also talks about the demon Choronzon who’s the guardian of the Abyss, and Choronzon is a demon who takes any thought and amplifies until it becomes a completely disorienting storm of disconnected gibberish.

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  1. The following comment was e-mailed to me by Trevor Blake ( while commenting was down:

    This isn’t being accepted by the robots so here it is straight to you…

    Role models for Aryan supermen, cartoon ethics, trusting in Bush / Blair /
    Nixon, negating the drive toward individuality, the holocaust was
    perfectly valid… y’all remember this next time you hear someone say ‘I
    don’t like [x], he’s a fascist.’

    Morrison found flaws in his previous sense of what the purpose of his life
    and life in general was. He ditched the flawed understanding. Excellent.
    He replaced it with a bigger ‘purpose’ in which everyone is as groovy as
    everyone else. Bunk.

    Here’s the scoop: he, me, everyone, and everything has no ‘purpose.’ Some
    humans can give themselves a purpose that is satisfying. That’s about it.

  2. In response to Trevor:

    Here’s another choice Morrison quote from

    “Asked about the current state of the world, particularly the war in Iraq, Mr. Morrison offered, ‘perhaps it?s just an essential part of the system, as horrible as that may seem.’ He wasn?t particularly interested in being part of any active anti-war movement, and noted that in his previous experience, a number of those people only seemed to be ‘interested in meeting up with the police.'”

    I’d like to think that it goes with out saying that I don’t endorse Morrison’s philosophy on this, but since people very frequently confuse my opinions with the opinions of people I quote here, I figure I’ll set the record straight: I think Morrison’s whole “it’s all part of the system’s plan” philosophy is a bunch of crap. I’m also not fond of his “individuality is an illusion” stuff.

    I don’t disagree with what I’ve read about Manuel DeLanda’s position on individuals and societies, but I haven’t read his new book yet. Shaviro’s review is here:

    He seems to reach a logical conclusion distinct from the over-romanticizing of of the individual and the problematic concepts of new age collectivism.

    I look forward to reading Bloom’s Lucifer Principle as well.

    “Here?s the scoop: he, me, everyone, and everything has no ?purpose.? Some
    humans can give themselves a purpose that is satisfying. That?s about it.”

    Agreed, more or less. Nothing has any meaning save for what we impose on it. This is not bad/depressing, but liberating.

    Bush and his cronies did not have to invade Iraq to fulfill some systemic destiny. They made a choice. We have a choice as well – accept the decisions made by the control machines, or struggle to change things.

  3. In response to both of you:

    Morrison has plenty of interesting, fun things to say, but I agree that they are a little from practical reality. Either that, or he needs to explain himself. The idea that the war is just part of the universe in motion argument is nothing but a cop out.

    In a way, I agree with it, but only in the sense that opposition to something like the war is just another part of that system. To use that outlook so selectively is just an excuse to justify ignoring the world around you.

    I love Morrison’s writing plenty. He’s probably responsible for getting more people of my generation into magic, and other random occult weirdness than anyone I can think of. But I think it was Nick Pell who told me, “I don’t think Grant Morrison has meditated a day in his life”, and I’m inclined to agree.

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